Threatens my civil liberties

“If there is an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney, it threatens my civil liberties.” _Presbo_ March 2008

Threatens mine too.  But who would do that?   In fact, who HAS rounded up Americans of any cultural or political group during the existence of this nation.

We could start with Andrew Jackson.  War hero and progressive.  He persuaded Congress that the treaty of 1791 which allocated land to the Cherokee in Georgia, needed tobe ignored and the land  given to whites, especially since gold had been discovered there.  Congress passed the “Indian Removal Act” which authorized the federal government to move all Indians to lands west of the Mississippi.  The Cherokee appealed to the Supreme Court that ruled in their favor.  As a progressive, Jackson decided that the Supreme Court was not the only arbiter of what was constitutional so he had the military round up 15,000 Cherokee and march them to Indian Territory, the scrub land from Oklahoma north in the center of the US.  6000 of them died en route.

There was the progressive Lincoln who suspended habeas corpus on April 27, 1861. Habeas Corpus or, literally, “find the body,” was the Constitutional law that required the government to actually provide a reason for locking someone away.   Protests were not allowed.  People were given a choice of enlisting or else being interred in one of federal government’s camps. If they weren’t lucky they might be executed without a trial or, as the citizens of New York City found out, being slaughtered by shelling from US battleships in New York harbor. Half of New York City was either laid waste this way  along with the residents of old New York.  Union jails and prisons overflowed with people who were held on the suspicion of being disloyal.   No trial.

Only  a few generations later, progressive Woodrow Wilson had internment camps all built and ready before jumping into war, while he was elected on the premise that he would keep the US out of the war.  Immediately after war was declared, whole groups were rounded up fo r no more than that they were declared pacifists.  Many of those were then subjected to torture and died at our government’s hands.  Over 100,000 people were rounded up by the time the war had ended.

During WWII, under the pretext of safety, Japanese Americans were interred if they were living in any of the exclusion zones designated by presidential executive order, which essentially commandeered about a third of the country.  At the same time, another executive order prohibited Japanese-Americans from selling their property within those areas and moving out of the exclusion zones.  German-Americans were incarcerated also, On Ellis Island alone hundreds were imprisoned until 3 years after WWII ended.  This was courtesy of the progressive FDR.  He was not favorable towards folks of  German ancestry of whom he said, “You either have to castrate the German people or you have to treat them in a manner that they can’t just go on reproducing people who want to continue the way they have in the past.” During the entire course of WWII, only 10 people were convicted of spying for the Japanese.  All of those were caucasian.

So when a progressive starts talking about the dangers of rounding up and incarcerating Americans, I have to wonder if they are ignorant of history or if they think I am.  For it has been the progressives in this country who have done that every time.  And it seems to start with the progressive president ignoring the Constitution, ignoring the Supreme Court, and ignoring the Congress.

Just like this one.



About drrik

3rd career and 2nd childhood. Spends spare time repairing old things. Aspires to burn more gasoline, gunpowder, and ink in pursuit of slowing down. Child of the 60s and aspiring student of history. No desire to see us repeat the failed social experiments that keep failing for lack of human beings that meet the left wing standards and have to be killed off. Did engineering long enough to realize that very little is new and the wheel does not need to be reinvented.
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3 Responses to Threatens my civil liberties

  1. Mrs. AL says:

    I do believe this is one of my favorite of your recent posts, drrik. It’s difficult to get some of our fellow citizens past the “bigger than life” Lincoln (especially) and review his actions from a Constitutional POV. My compliments on this post!

  2. drrik says:

    Thank you Ma’am. Where you bin? Lincoln was no hero in my book, although he did win and therfore got to write the history and gets the temple at the end of the mall. I imagine the history books in the countries of other tyrants and dictators all have glowing accolades as well.

    • Mrs. AL says:

      I bin lodding (attempt at humor). Out of pocket for a plethora of reasons. Being the unreasonably private person that I am, won’t go into detail except to say my eyeballs are better and I can stand to look at the computer screen now. Yea!!!!!

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